gregan
4:01 Mon Nov 30
Re: Dubois v Joyce
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https://youtu.be/zuASpmqoJVM
Joyce v Usyk
7 years ago. Great 5 rounder.
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camel-with-3-humps
3:35 Mon Nov 30
Re: Dubois v Joyce
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southbankbornnbred
That's exactly it - footwork, anticipation, head movement.
You're going to get picked off by fighters with a longer each if you can't slip the jab and find a way in.
Dubois is big, but 6ft4.5 is not that massive nowadays - the larger reach is very problematic.
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southbankbornnbred
1:39 Mon Nov 30
Re: Dubois v Joyce
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I'm not sure I'd pick out Dubois' coaches as a problem at this stage. Maybe, but maybe not.
I think a lot of the criticism coming their way is because of the fact that so much of what they said could be heard because it wasn't drowned out by the din of an audience.
I'm sure they know that Dubois is raw and needs a lot of work. I have no idea whether they are up for getting him to the next level - maybe they are, maybe they are not. It's more important that any boxer works with coaches they trust and who they know can get the best out of them. He seems to trust them.
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southbankbornnbred
1:29 Mon Nov 30
Re: Dubois v Joyce
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CS - yeah, I agree: Joyce has many of the boxing skills needed to succeed at that level, but he does lack power for a guy of his size. It's in there, somewhere, I'm sure.
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Block
1:28 Mon Nov 30
Re: Dubois v Joyce
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Scum, not sure people are writing him off, just that he's not at world championship level.
As I said earlier, I'd like to see him up against Chsiora or Takam.
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Council Scum
1:25 Mon Nov 30
Re: Dubois v Joyce
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If Joyce had power in his back hand he would trouble anyone, he had a brilliant amateur career and I'm amazed so many people have written him off.
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southbankbornnbred
1:15 Mon Nov 30
Re: Dubois v Joyce
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Hopefully Dubois can come back stronger and better - I hate all this modern day crap, writing people off once they've lost just one fight. Hagler lost a couple early in his career before he worked out his best way to fight at the highest level.
The bigger issue for Dubois was the ease with which Joyce picked him off with the jab. He does need to improve his footwork, anticipation and head movement a lot if he's going to avoid taking a lot of punishment from people with longer reaches.
Dubois is very raw and his career could go either way from here. He really needs to learn to tighten up his defence and avoid punishment. Reminds me a lot of Nigel Benn when he was young and raw - in the sense that he looked a bit lost when he first got walloped back. Hopefully, like Benn, he'll learn that there's more to boxing at that level than just unloading bombs.
There's time, certainly.
But he needs his eye socket to recover fully before anything else. He'll have no career at all if it doesn't.
Joyce looked competent and compact. I'm not sure he had to work extremely hard for the win, so it'll be interesting to see how he shaped up if he moves up a level (quality-wise).
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Razzle
1:07 Mon Nov 30
Re: Dubois v Joyce
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I thought Joyce boxed really well and demonstrated how effective his jab was, which literally closed Dubois down.
He also took some big shots and absorbed them, a worthy winner.
Dubois for me was not aggressive enough, as he was getting done by the jab he needed to get on the front foot and work the inside and the body. A powerful lad but has much to learn.
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Council Scum
1:04 Mon Nov 30
Re: Dubois v Joyce
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I always thought this was too early for Dubious and won a pretty penny on a late round stoppage for Joyce, his jab and chin always meant he would be hard to beat by just getting blasted out.
Martin Bowers is a decent coach, what he was saying to Dubious was "You're in a fight now" Because that's what they train for.
Daniel looked lost coming back to the corner at round 3. But he's young and he'll come again.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
12:53 Mon Nov 30
Re: Dubois v Joyce
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Camel
I'm reliably informed by someone who knows him that Frampton is an absolute diamond. To be fair to him, and the others, they could only go on what they were seeing and, more to the point, what they were hearing from Dubois's corner. Dubois's team appeared to be telling him, and the world, that he had no heart form round 3 onwards.
Did anyone else think the lack of fans in the arena led them to play to the cameras? Joyce's corner were quietly professional whereas Dubois's were giving it the loud 'cockney geezer' act all fight long.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
12:39 Mon Nov 30
Re: Dubois v Joyce
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I called him a quitter without being in possession of the full facts, for which I apologise to the lad.
One Iron is right - he should sack his corner team immediately. Too macho and too willing to take risks with a skull that was someone else's, but was in their care.
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camel-with-3-humps
11:57 Mon Nov 30
Re: Dubois v Joyce
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Harsh calling Dubois a quitter. Frampton was all too eager to stick the knife in.
So Dubois should end up blind just to appease his peers?
Fuck that. He's 23 with time to recover. He can still be a world champion.
As for Joyce? He should some metal, but never a champion.
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Block
11:28 Mon Nov 30
Re: Dubois v Joyce
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It was obvious that his eye socket was broken, those who were quick to jump on his back and say he quit are absolute cunts, especially Gorman who Dubois flattened.
No shame in what he did, repeating what's been said before but his corner are an absolute joke, he needs to fuck them off pronto as when he fights again that injury will get particular attention.
As for Joyce, he's not good enough to be world class, in my opinion, he does however have a fucking granite chin and was very surprised with his jab, he ground Dubois down and broke him.
Would like to see Joyce against Chisora.
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one iron
9:06 Mon Nov 30
Re: Dubois v Joyce
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The corner men should have pulled him out,the boys not a doctor, when he heard that crunch he should have pulled out 2 rounds before he did,the bowers are good fight people,he will fight in 10 months, dont write this kid off.because of the pain ,he had to fight a fight off the plan he had
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WHUDeano
12:54 Mon Nov 30
Re: Dubois v Joyce
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And I’m not even a big fan of Dubois.
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WHUDeano
12:54 Mon Nov 30
Re: Dubois v Joyce
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His corner man was quoted replying to Dubois’s concerns about his eye: “you’re in the fight game now”.
Mismanaged by his corner and his promoter.
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The Fonz
9:58 Sun Nov 29
Re: Dubois v Joyce
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The more I think about this, the more I think it is outrageous that his corner let him fight on.
The fact that he had to 'quit' as they refused to throw in the towel is a bit of a joke.
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one iron
9:02 Sun Nov 29
Re: Dubois v Joyce
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said it at 8-28 this morning, if he took a few more big shots could have gone blind, or brain damage all the fighters having a go at the young man would have done the same, he will be out for at least 6 months.good luck to the kid.
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Lee Trundle
8:35 Sun Nov 29
Re: Dubois v Joyce
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Joyce really impressed me.
He's not exciting and a plodder, does enough to win rounds though, and more importantly can seemingly take a punch.
Maybe not world champion level, but not far off. I thought he was nowhere near that level.
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zico
8:22 Sun Nov 29
Re: Dubois v Joyce
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WHUDeano 8:11 Sun Nov 29
Agreed. Still cringe when I think of Jim Watt accusing Gerald McClellan of bottling it and moments later the fella was unconscious.
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